key change

[household2]

just to let you now last key change all my boxes stayed on

[Killswitch]

In point of fact, if you live in either the Northeast or Northwest areas of Phila. County and you got Test boxes that are unsubscribed, they crashed and burned. There is no luck involved. I know for a fact that every area of the city got Keyed. In conclusion, you MUST be on account with Comcast. Direct and to the point.

[MrRogers]

In point of fact, if you live in either the Northeast or Northwest areas of Phila. County and you got Test boxes that are unsubscribed, they crashed and burned. There is no luck involved. I know for a fact that every area of the city got Keyed. In conclusion, you MUST be on account with Comcast. Direct and to the point.

That statement is not ENTIRELY accurate. I will not point out the false statement made within your sentence because all it would do is raise more questions from others. But to keep the air clear, you are not 100% correct.

There could be a million reasons that all his boxes stayed on through a key change, there are others out there with boxes that stay on without issues through key changes as well. But some of those are the ones with the "Holy Grail" on their side, so you see it is possible you just have to have the right connections.

If it is not that, then is is a good sub

[macgyver12]

I'm curious how he even knows there was a key change in the first place. Not exactly something you're gonna figure out from the occult menu or a usbjtag.

[MrRogers]

I'm curious how he even knows there was a key change in the first place. Not exactly something you're gonna figure out from the occult menu or a usbjtag.

True, I agree with you on that point unless he had multiple boxes - or he had friends that complained that their boxes now read "NOT AUTHORIZED".

[Killswitch]

Yea, Macgyver is the Criss Angel of STB Tech. Can almost levitate off a building despite gravity. I always figured that if you stayed Connected and E00 or EP 00 and went to a layer of Local channels only, you didn't get hit with a Deauth command because you would be E01 . Macgyver is a little like Nine Inch Nails (NIN) . So far ahead of their time that they haven't quite made it into the present day (yet) .

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There is two types of attacks that company sends,

[household2]

just change unit id only next time they do key change all your boxes will update
leaved them connectec to cable line

[justsomeguy]

just change unit id only next time they do key change all your boxes will update
leaved them connectec to cable line

this is NOT correct info people. changing the uid will not make your box take a key change. it was more then likely just a firmware update that came down your line household2.

if you doubt me household2 ask USBBDM he will tell you the same. who better to ask then the ultimate master himself?

[Killswitch]

This sounds like common sense if your box is on account. If it's a Test box and off the books, you're fucked and the box becomes a paperweight. Is there anything else ?

[Killswitch]

Damn! This guy is beginning to give Philadelphia PA a bad name. The guy gets a Firmware update and confuses it to be a Key change ? Been here for a little longer than 3 1/2 yrs ? I should've seen this coming. The hardcore Testers in this big city are a) few b) far between.

[MrRogers]

I can tell you this, since I am running 2 illegitimate boxes both got (potentially) hit at the same time. Coincidentally this happened yesterday - But the kicker to this is that all the premiums are gone and I still get everything else, like the Playboy and food network and a couple others, but for the most part I can tell they either changed the keys for the premiums or the box took some sort of (potential) hit.

EDIT: AS OF TODAY ON BOTH BOXES ALL CHANNELS ARE GONE EXCEPT FOR A FEW LOCAL CHANNELS AND THE PLAYBOY CHANNEL, they are playing with us... lol this should get interesting as this cat and mouse game continues..

Interesting problem with my X1 box, it continues to play the locals, and everything below 22, and playboy channel, when I try to make it take an update it says unsuccessful every time... That might be where the faults of our ideas lie.. If they made it so that only boxes on legitimate accounts can take updates, and they force updates and if you don't take the update your box is NOT AUTHORIZED. Could be possible, and kudos to them if that's what the issue is.

I do have a theory though that somewhat veers off of the norm, Comcrap is now (after many years of not doing this), does key changes on basically a month to month basis, it use to be maybe once every 3 years or so, then every 6 months, then basically it was like we were dealing with DishNOT and key changes on the regular, maybe in part or in full due to the lack of hardware to do constant updates that may throttle the network to the point of affecting paying customers.

Though my theory is this since my illegitimate boxes were in ever sense of the word completely off of any account, so therefore could not be hit in the conventional sense or even key change, they most likely have developed a way to somehow detect rogue boxes that are not in every sense of the word on their "network". My thought process is that they are using the On Demand feature to detect these boxes and then place them on a blacklist for de-authorization, but again that is just a theory. My X1 box has more channels up than my DCX3501 but both of them lost channels at the SAME TIME, and now you might think ohh well you just got hit then on whatever the packages were or whatever, but that is not the case because of 2 reasons. 1. One box was authorized on a completely separate account than the other box when I had them done. 2. My DCX3501 has a HPF on it so that it cannot get hit. The CACO around here is starting to use some sort of tactics that are unbeknownst to us right now and will probably take some time to figure out exactly how they are somehow getting through to these boxes, because this is totally different than the days of key changes and we changed the OOB to something different than that area. I heard from a little birdie that we might have to lose guides again to avoid loss of channels of sorts and block the incoming frequencies as well. But again, that is just speculation and I don't see how that would work.

For me, in my situation it seems that it could be something as simple as just a basic channel map change and that is why I lost channels, but at the same time I wonder how it is possible since my X1 was completely wide open (it needs to be), since it is a cable modem in a sense the way the guide operates is based on this. But I somehow managed to not lose everything all at once. My HBO channels went about 2 hours after my SHOTIME channels went,= which is VERY strange because if it was a normal conventional CACO hit, I would have lost everything, and not just everything but all at the same time. So this is something that we have not seen before around here. I hear through this birdie that they are already using this tactic in the FL area. So at this point nobody can really say exactly what is going on other than to say they are using some sort of rogue detection measure to hit us, as far as my boxes they basically took shots in the dark and got lucky I assume... Because what are the odds that I can still watch Playboy and some of the lower tier channels but all the premiums are gone O.o?

My problem could be as simple as a firmware update so I will do it to my X1 and see if any channels return, if they do then that is the issue, my DCX3501 I will leave connected to the network and see if anything takes.. All I would lose is the porn channel and a few other idiotic channels that my gf likes, but that's ok because they are my boxes I will update in a while and let you guys know if I find anything else out.

@household2 - That has to be the most moronic thing I have ever read. Do you even know how to use a USBJTag NT?

@TheGuySinging macgyver12's praises - Please stop ass kissing-he is a friend but he is not a rocket scientist, he tests just like alot of others on here, this is a team effort and we all pitch in together (at least I like to think that). That is what this community is all about. Don't get me wrong macgyver12 is a good guy when it comes to testing and he will go to extreme lengths (back in the day) to figure something out. But as of lately he is not really in to the game too much anymore for personal reasons.


Truth of the matter is I know a guy that knows a guy that uses a secret weapon against my CACO, so we are not completely f*cked

[MrRogers]

There is two types of attacks that company sends,

This is false/misinformation - popular caco's could potentially use the following "attacks", which consist of much more than two:

1. A simple de-authorize to a subbed box. Or a hacked box.
2. OOB not correct value for the area - BIG red flag to caco that we are hacking boxes, so they start doing more frequent key changes.
3. Box completely hacked and not on an account, CACO may require box to take an update and the box refuses to - deauth'ed
4. New X1 box hacked (essentially a cable modem with a cable box built in.) This makes it MUCH easier for them to shut it down, basically if one gets shut down, so does the other - to a point.
5. Normal every month key changes.
6. Mandatory Firmware updates.
7. Simple update that box simply do not take, red flag.
8. Channel Maps change, hacked boxes go down regardless of key update. Also raises a red flag.
9. Rogue boxes being authorized with all channels, then removed from an account. MAJOR RED FLAG!
10. Box suppose to be on a certain node and it ends up being in a completely different part of the city or state. Red flag.
11. If you end up having a hacked box that is suppose to be a supposedly subbed box, they will cut your wire and get their equipment back, and possibly press charges for theft of service and ban you from ever having service.

With all these things combined and taken in to consideration it is no wonder why we have seen (over the last 5 years) security has changed and transformed as we go along and being done alot swifter than it use to be, I remember the days when 3-4 years would pass before a key change... Then the OOB trick comes out, abused by everyone, now it is month to month... It is not a big surprise that they would do this...

[household2]

i can only tell you that all my boxes are up an running just like i told you and there nut subbed it was the last key change in north east phila

if it says one moment its an update

if it says not autherised its a key change

if your box was open at time of key change your box wood change keys

[MrRogers]

i can only tell you that all my boxes are up an running just like i told you and there nut subbed it was the last key change in north east phila

Did you keep original UID/UPM with no OOB changes? And how do you know that there was a key change exactly lol

I seriously believe these are your subbed boxes that you decided to hook up to the NT and change some stuff around.. or you are referring to your hacked boxes and you just recently did them... Because to date no hax'd boxes will take a key change successfully unless of course you recently had them done and the new keys were already stored on there, and they expired and the new keys are now in effect.

The way it works is keys only last so long until they expire and the new keys take effect. At least that is my understanding. Around here the key changes only occur at certain times of the month. And the security around here is pretty friggin tight.